E Book The Great Apostasy It s a little too reliant on the anti Catholic protestant modernist histories that were popular around the time Elder Talmadge wrote it I would recommend it as an illustrati
E-Book The Great Apostasy It's a little too reliant on the anti Catholic protestant modernist histories that were popular around the time Elder Talmadge wrote it. I would recommend it as an illustration of how the church thought of the apostasy around the turn of the century, but wouldn't take it as the last word on the history. At the very least, it should be read with Miranda Wilcox's Standing Apart as a more updated companion piece.. The Great Apostasy Viral Book James E Talmage s thorough discussion of the significance of the great apostasy as a condition for the reestablishment of the Church in modern times A summary of the most important evidences of the decline and final extinction of the primitive church Helpful for missionaries and investigators Offers a clear understanding of the apostasy and the restoration of the priesJames E Talmage s thorough discussion of the significance of the great apostasy as a condition for the reestablishment of the Church in modern times A summary of the most important evidences of the decline and final extinction of the primitive church Helpful for missionaries and investigators Offers a clear understanding of the apostasy and the restoration of the priesthood.. James Edward Talmage was a member of the Council of the Twelve Apostles, and a resident of Salt Lake City, Utah He was born Sunday Sept 21, 1862, at Hungerford, Berkshire, England, the son of James Joyce Talmage and his wife, Susannah Preater He is the first son and second child in a family of eight He was baptized and confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints at the place of his birth, June 15, 1873, and on the 18th of the following August was ordained a Deacon in the Ramsbury branch of the London conference The entire family left England May 24, 1876, landed in New York June 5th, and arrived in Salt Lake City June 14th following His career in the Church was upward and onward from the time of his baptism In Provo, Utah, where the family had established a home, he was ordained a Teacher December 17, 1877, and an Elder June 28, 1880 On September 29, 1884, he was ordained a High Priest, and was set apart as an alternate High Councilor in the Utah Stake of Zion On December 7, 1911, he was appointed and sustained to be one of the Apostles, to fill the vacancy caused by the appointment of Elder Charles W Penrose as second counselor in the First Presidency, and on the following day Dec 8th was ordained an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ and was set apart as one of the Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, under the hands of President Joseph F Smith, assisted by his counselors and members of the Council of the Twelve In 1888 June 14th he married Mary May Booth daughter of Richard Thornton Booth and his wife, Elsie Edge Booth , at the Manti Temple, and from this union there came the following children Sterling B born May 21, 1889 Paul Bborn Dec 21, 1891 Zella, born Aug 3, 1894, died of pneumonia April 27, 1895 Elsie, born Aug 16, 1896 James Karl, born Aug 29, 1898 Lucile, born May 29, 1900 Helen May, born Oct 24, 1902, and John Russell, born Feb 1, 1911 Elder Talmage obtained his early schooling in the National and Board schools of his home district in England, and was an Oxford diocesan prize scholar in 1874 He entered the Brigham Young Academy now University at Provo, Utah, in 1876, and followed to completion the high school and normal courses, and in his 17th year was a teacher of elementary science and English in the institution named His early predilection was for the sciences, and in 1882 83 he took a selected course, mainly in chemistry and geology, at Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa Though a special student and not a candidate for a degree, he passed during his single year of residence nearly all the examinations in the four year course and was later graduated and in 1883 84 he was engaged in advanced work at Johns Hopkins University, Balti, Md He returned to Utah in the fall of 1884, in response to a summons from the home institution, and served as professor of geology and chemistry, with varied activities in other departments, in the Brigham Young Academy from 1884 to 1888 While still a member of the faculty, he was elected a member of the board of trustees of the Brigham Young Academy During his residence in Provo, he served successively as city councilman, alderman and justice of the peace In 1888 he was called to Salt Lake City to take the presidency of the Latter day Saints College, which position he held until 1893 He was president of and professor of geology in the University of Utah, 1894 97 In the year last named he resigned the presidency, but retained the chair of geology, which had been specially endowed and ten years later 1907 he resigned the professorship to follow the practical work of mining geology, for which his services were in great demand In 1891 he received the degree of Bachelor of Science, and in 1912 the honorary degree of Doctor of Science, from his old alma mater, Lehigh University In 1890 he was given the honorary degree. Popular Books The Great Apostasy In writing this review, I fear that some of my Mormon friends may feel that I am attacking them and their religion. This is not the case. I am attacking James Edward Talmage's 1909 work entitled The Great Apostasy; Considered in the Light of Scriptural and Secular History, and taking him to task for shoddy historical method, a general ignorance of his subject matter, and poor conclusions. I do not encourage you to try to defend him, for his work is seriously flawed in a multitude of ways.After reading the introduction, I had high hopes for this work. Talmage starts off in the right spot, by stating, "if the alleged apostasy of the primitive church was not a reality, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not the divine institution its name proclaims." This is the crux of the entire work, but unfortunately, it rapidly spiraled down from there. After a short historical introduction, he goes on to make the wild assumption that the true church of Christ can only exist with legitimate priestly succession. I suspect that this topic (given the overall geographical generalities Talmage would go on to discuss) is not really about historical scholarship at all, but rather an attempt to invalidate the Roman Catholic Church's claim of apolostolic succession from St. Peter. This fails to account for the "priesthood of all believers" that may be from I Peter 2:9, but it also fails to demonstrate any believable parallels between the ancient church and what the LDS believe today. Talmage argues that since the Roman Catholic Church changed the means of the ordinances they are thus apostate. One could claim that he fails to take into account the changes to the Mormon ordinances, but that is not the issue here. The issue is simply that Talmage failed to create any plausible case of discontinuity between the early church and the later, better-sourced, post-Constantinian church. It also entirely fails to account for Jesus' emphasis on the spirit of the law. Where exactly does Jesus teach the need for proper priestly succession done according to ritual, Mr. Talmage?Talmage then goes on to an inane discussion of Biblical prophecy. This section is a fine example of what happens when one chains up the scriptures and leads them around like tame beasts; they say whatever he wants them to say, despite flying in the face of context and academic reasoning. He uses Paul's warnings to the churches that the Gospel would be perverted to claim that this was some sort of prophecy that Paul had made, however, he nowhere is able to make any sort of link between the alleged perversion of the Gospel, and his own pre-conceived notions of a Great Apostasy. Another example is what he does with the seven churches in Anatolia in Revelation. Talmage claims that these were the last seven non-apostate churches (completely without evidence, as per usual). This really shows nothing other than a strong desire to make the evidence suit his preconceived conclusions, for even a superficial reading of Revelation will reveal that John's use of the number seven is a sign of completeness.The next section discusses disputes in the church and its persecution. He claims that persecution killed the strong members of the church, forced the weak to flee, and put the unworthy in positions of honour. The problem with this thesis is quickly made manifold. Talmage is unable to back up his statement with any sort of evidence, which he isn't going to find due to the fact that most persecutions of Christians were localized (these are remarkable similar to persecutions of Jews in the middle ages; they were a visible minority, and while they generally made good neighbours there was still something subversive about them) and very half-hearted. Despite the lack of evidence for his previous thesis, Talmage doesn't seem to be concerned at all, and continues to push for this somehow representing his Great Apostasy. Dispute in the church apparently means apostasy for Talmage as well, but it shouldn't for any critical reader.About halfway through the book, Talmage finally gets on to his criticism that Judaistic and Hellenistic ideas permeated the early church. It is true that various ideas crept into Christianity, but nowhere does Talmage demonstrate that they overrode the original message. He goes on to cite a highly-developed form of Gnosticism, but fails to account for the fact that the church viewed this as a heresy. One cannot argue that all of the Christian creeds were corrupt and abominable based on the fact there have been many splinter groups.He blames the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity on Neo-Platonism, but this also stumbles. He cites similarities between Neo-Platonist ideas and the opening few verses of the Gospel of John. It is certain that John was using Hellenistic concepts to illustrate Jesus' divinity here. There is nothing inherently wrong with this; Luke changes details in his Gospel all the time to make it more amenable to Gentile readers, and Paul adopts Hellenistic rhetoric to better reach his audience at the Aeropagus in Athens. What is wrong with this is Talmage's assumption that John is primarily Hellenistic, when in fact the noted Anglican scholar N.T. Wright has demonstrated that it has more in common with Sirach, an apocryphal Old Testament book than it does with Platonism. The second issue is that the Neo-Platonics did not yet exist in the form that he claims, since it wasn't created until the third century, whilst most scholars believe that John was written sometime around 90 A.D. The third and final problem here is that Talmage believes the doctrine of the Trinity to be a later creation. Technically, this isn't a huge flaw, for the doctrine of the Trinity itself emerged later, but he fails to account for the early church's predilection towards worshipping Jesus as God, not to mention the Trinitarian statements that were made by pre-definition Christians!The final section reveals the same quality of research as the rest of the book. He lists off various crimes of the (apparently apostate) Catholic Church. We can all agree that these crimes were certainly not in the vein of what Jesus taught and set out to establish on Earth, and we should also be able to agree that this in itself means nothing. First, he only discusses the Catholic Church, and fails to discuss the others. Second, he provides no convincing [and usually just no] evidence that what Joseph Smith restored was ever taught by Jesus and lost in the early church. This last part is the ultimate crux of where he started; those teachings, ordinances and doctrines must have been lost in the first place in order for them to be restored, but Talmage cannot point to anything that suggested that what the Mormon Church teaches today is what Jesus taught. On that basis, this book is a miserable failure. The fact that the Deseret Book Company does not currently print this book emphasizes Auden's quote: "Some books are undeservedly forgotten; none are undeservedly remembered."As for the edition itself, this reprint is quite awful. Since the text was OCR'd, it abounds with erroneous characters. It is never very clear where the chapters begin and end, and the notes run into the text. The index is also a hopeless mess. Considering the depth of research that this book has, combined with this being a rather awful edition, it is hopefully headed to literary oblivion.
Will there be a great apostasy falling away during the Jan , Answer The Bible indicates that there will be a great apostasy during the end times The great apostasy is mentioned in Thessalonians The KJV calls it the falling away, while the NIV and ESV call it the rebellion And that s what an apostasy is a rebellion, an abandonment of the truth The end times will include a wholesale rejection of God s The Great Apostasy Church Of Jesus Christ This period is called the Great Apostasy With the death of the Apostles of Jesus Christ, the truth was lost once again This apostasy resulted in the formation of many churches with conflicting teachings During this time, many men and women sought the truth, but they were unable to find it. The Great Apostasy by James E Talmage James E Talmage s thorough discussion of the significance of the great apostasy as a condition for the reestablishment of the Church in modern times A summary of the most important evidences of the decline and final extinction of the primitive The Apostasy An Era of Spiritual Darkness The Destruction of Jerusalem Persecution in the First Centuries The Great Apostasy The Waldenses John Wycliffe Huss and Jerome Luther s Separation From Rome Luther Before the Diet The Swiss Reformer Progress of Reform in Germany Protest of the Princes The Great APOSTASY Apostate Church Worldly Whore Church The Great Apostasy Will Occur Before The Rapture The Bible teaches before the rapture occurs, two things will transpire The great apostasy and The revealing of the antichrist